tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post5217646157234467930..comments2024-03-26T00:52:24.638-04:00Comments on Real World Illustrator: C vs. CVC -- a battle of Pantone proportionsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795570164435872662noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-25156500981266703912008-06-15T20:43:00.000-04:002008-06-15T20:43:00.000-04:00Hey, I'm having some troubles with CVC and C Panto...Hey, I'm having some troubles with CVC and C Pantones... I'm trying to insert a logo with the old version of Pantone, how can I find the new Pantone for my client??? I'm using Freehand MX and Photoshop CS3, how can I find the new version of Pantone 294 CVC?? Is it easy as using CMYK? But what would be the new Pantone to replace CVC?GloriaLilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01993314500066309364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-33279380162122521122008-03-26T09:52:00.000-04:002008-03-26T09:52:00.000-04:00Wow! I just ran into this problem with a client an...Wow! I just ran into this problem with a client and google sent me straight to this post! It couldn't have been more effective in clarifying why I was getting such disparate results! Thanks for saving me time and helping me explain the cause of the slip to my client!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-60000335014864779012007-02-14T21:47:00.000-05:002007-02-14T21:47:00.000-05:00YIKES! WHAT A MESS!!/beginRant/VentPerhaps Adobe &...YIKES! WHAT A MESS!!<BR/>/beginRant/Vent<BR/>Perhaps Adobe & Pantone can put some water on these fires by PLEASE putting a link on library palettes that take you to the proper page at Pantone.com so you can see which book(s)/Bridge version(s) they're talking about along with updates/patches, etc.<BR/>Also, include a "report broken links/wrong values" button that sends the appropriate messages to the right people.<BR/>We've had hotlinks in software dialog boxes for MANY years, can we PLEASE have them here where they're really needed? /endRant /endVent<BR/>-Bill Carberry<BR/>Adobe Certified Instructor<BR/>http://PDFexperts.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-54431836089506941972007-01-28T14:36:00.000-05:002007-01-28T14:36:00.000-05:00True, it it not exactly correct. I had to re-read ...True, it it not exactly correct. I had to re-read my own origional article about Pantone, and to summarize it all up: <br />1) Illu CS uses pantone-to-cmyk values from Pantone<br />2) Illu CS2 uses both LAB and Pantone-to-cmyk from Pantone<br /><br />–But the catch is: The Pantone to LAB values were also provided by Pantone. And we know Pantone has not always been very good at giving us the proper cmyk values. (This has changed now they printed their new 'Pantone color bridge coated EURO' using European ink ;-). Now they are fully ISO12647-2.– Before that they supplied Pantone libraries based on American ink. <br /> <br />However, I'd love to read (or hear) more on this subject as there are not a whole lot op people who actually know (or care) this much about the technology behind the programs. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-36284322392932806052007-01-28T10:25:00.000-05:002007-01-28T10:25:00.000-05:00Actually Woz, that isn't quite correct. I spoke a ...Actually Woz, that isn't quite correct. I spoke a bit about Illustrator and how it uses Lab values for spot colors in my December episode of my podcast (entitled Critical Color Control), but maybe a follow up post on this subject is in order just to clarify...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795570164435872662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-85541605636183942672007-01-28T06:02:00.000-05:002007-01-28T06:02:00.000-05:00good story:
Here's another nice little problem:
I...good story: <br />Here's another nice little problem:<br />Illustrator CS uses Pantone libraries to change PMS to CMYK. Illustrator CS2 uses LAB values. And ofcourse Photoshop CS and CS2 also uses LAB values bases on the selected ICC profile. ;-)<br /><br />Regards,<br />Woz<br />www.macmojo.nlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-74008539219320465422007-01-27T19:24:00.000-05:002007-01-27T19:24:00.000-05:00bluekdesign - that's a ton of information. Thanks ...bluekdesign - that's a ton of information. Thanks for taking the time to post that info here.<br /><br />david - thanks for the added information. Always nice to see you here :)<br /><br />beauw - as you know, all jobs are different. But many times, a designer will create a color as a spot, but only later will find out that it will be a process job (maybe the printer will make that decision). But my entire post was really written as a response to someone's question on another forum (the CTP list), who had recieved a PDF from a client with the said Pantone numbers in it. Upon bringing the PDF into InDesign for a few edits, the printer noticed that the Pantone values had changed. But doing the same thing in Acrobat or Illustrator resulted in no change at all. The printer had no access to the original source files (Illustrator, Quark, or otherwise). This post answered why the printer was seeing what he was seeing.<br /><br />Obviously, as with ANY job in design (print, or web) -- you should always design your work to the specifications of your medium and workflow. Of course, we don't live in a perfect world, and therefore, we deal with all of these issues :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795570164435872662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-16401555284712468912007-01-27T10:28:00.000-05:002007-01-27T10:28:00.000-05:00If you are converting to CMYK anyway, is there a r...If you are converting to CMYK anyway, is there a reason not to convert the Spot color to a Global color in Illustrator (which assumably will do the conversion the way you want it) before importing the image to Indesign?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-54160215646482300132007-01-27T10:19:00.000-05:002007-01-27T10:19:00.000-05:00It really comes down to the designer controlling t...It really comes down to the designer controlling the software, and not the other way around. If you have to, type in your own CMYK numbers. <br /><br />Another issue is using solid (spot) colors for process printing. I know sometimes it is unavoidable, but if working on a strictly process job and picking new colors (for example, not trying to match a logo color)--use a process-only guide. Pantone makes a nice, fairly inexpensive process-only guide with over 3300 colors in it. (There are other guides, of course.) Pantone's process-only guides are built into the software libraries too.<br /><br />An exception to using process-only colors is when printing using (advanced) color managment. Then one might want to use LAB values in PS, AI, and ID; colors would be selected and left as spot colors.<br /><br />Another exception to using strictly process colors is when printing to a color laser printer as the final output. Sometimes (you will have to test it), laser printers can get better matches to spot colors than the solid-to-process guide or the Bridge guide shows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20113929.post-80516163054710612902007-01-26T22:35:00.000-05:002007-01-26T22:35:00.000-05:00If that wasn't confusing enough, the Pantone libra...If that wasn't confusing enough, the Pantone library that shipped with Illustrator 10 was wrong at the upper range 7500.<br /><br />"Adobe Illustrator 10.0.3 PANTONE update - English<br /><br />This update for Adobeᆴ Illustrator includes four PANTONEᆴ libraries:<br />PANTONE Solid Coated<br />PANTONE Solid Matte<br />PANTONE Solid Uncoated<br />PANTONE Process Coated<br /><br />The first three libraries have corrected CMYK color values for Pantone colors 7492-7547.<br /><br />The fourth library has been updated so swatches are set to Illustratorメs Global Process colors rather than Spot Colors."<br />http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1916<br /><br />Then, in Creative Suite, more problems:<br /><br />332999 PANTONE Color Bridge library not available in Adobe Creative Suite applications<br />http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/332999.html<br /><br />330728 CMYK values of PANTONE swatches are different in Illustrator CS and Photoshop CS<br />http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/330728.html<br /><br />Pantone also updated the Solid to Process formulas - once in 2000, then again in 2005. Solid to Process is now Color Bridge.<br /><br />See the "Learning to Love Pantone's new Color Bridge Guide" Seybold Bulletin, Vol 10 No 31, May 11 2005 <br /><br />Only use spot colors when you are printing a spot plate. In all other cases, use a process color. Use the Trumatch library or buy a printed book of CMYK swatches.BlueKDesignhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06344948355654736884noreply@blogger.com